朝鲜主要食品供应比印度好，为什么朝鲜有饥荒印度没有？

njyd · 发表于 2017-3-20 01:10:13

今天扒了一下联合国粮农组织的数据库，发现在主要食品中，朝鲜与印度要么持平（谷物），要么比印度供应好（肉蛋等），为什么朝鲜有饥荒印度没有？

表格上传不方便，下面是两国2004年到2013年（联合国粮农组织网站上最新数据为2013年）主要食品的人均年供应量（十年平均）。单位是每人每年公斤。
朝鲜比印度多的：
蛋，4.5 : 2.2 / 鱼海鲜， 9.5 : 5.3 / 肉，13.8 : 4.2
含酒精的饮料，8.3 : 1,7 / 水果-不含酒，56.1 : 47.7 / 淀粉根,63 : 28.4 / 蔬菜 138.3 : 71.8

持平的：
谷物 150.6 : 150.6 /更精确的数是 150.613 : 150.566 朝鲜高一层皮。
豆类 11.7 : 12.6
以上前为朝鲜，以后前为印度。

印度高于朝鲜的：

油料作物 6.6 : 3.6 / 香料 2.4 : 0 /糖和甜味剂 21.7 : 4 /木本坚果 1.3 :0.6
植物油 8.7 : 5.6 / 动物脂肪 2.7 :0.4 / 牛奶 - 不包括黄油 75.9 : 4.6

印度人牛奶喝这么多？包括神庙里老鼠喝的吧？
显然朝鲜的供应比印度更能填肚子。

njyd · 发表于 2017-3-20 02:13:35

Sichuluanhuang 发表于 2017-3-20 01:56
另外，印度挨饿人群比北朝鲜少吗？

至少没人在意。

njyd · 发表于 2017-3-20 19:21:05

冰蚁发表于 2017-3-20 02:32
不知道你怎么扒的数据。我随便瞥了一眼北朝鲜的 wheat and products 产量，看了2008年到2013年的数据，北棒 ...

你这是小麦和产品，我的是谷物汇总，谷物不光是小麦。

想像一下印度人天天吃奶酪，这想像力要比较丰富。

njyd · 发表于 2017-3-20 19:24:55

猫元帅发表于 2017-3-20 09:51
我记得朝鲜的粮食似乎不足以自给，或者是勉强自给。当年是靠着经互会出口矿产进口粮食。后来经互会倒了，燃 ...

我扒的是《食品收支》大项里的《食品供应 - 初级谷物等值》和《食品供应 - 牲畜和初级鱼类等值》。供应量包括自己生产、进口和援助的。

njyd · 发表于 2017-3-20 21:43:09

本帖最后由 njyd 于 2017-3-20 21:46 编辑

接受 @冰蚁的意见，用人均每天摄入的热量计，还是2004年到2013年十年的平均，朝鲜是2120.7大卡，印度是2389.3大卡，印度高出12.7%。
准备用全世界各国比较一下，但现在下载数据较慢，比昨天慢多了，好半天还没下完。

上面的数字是荤素食品的总计。

njyd · 发表于 2017-3-20 21:59:21

本帖最后由 njyd 于 2017-3-20 22:11 编辑

冰蚁发表于 2017-3-20 19:42
印度消耗奶酪量很大啊，一年得有个几万吨吧。这个不需要想象力。在美国也一样，平时肉可以少吃，奶制品不 ...

印度1961年到2013年人均年消费奶酪的统计：

食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 1961 kg 0
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 1962 kg 0
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 1963 kg 0
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 1964 kg 0
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 1965 kg 0
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 1966 kg 0
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 1967 kg 0
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 1968 kg 0
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 1969 kg 0
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 1970 kg 0
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 1971 kg 0
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 1972 kg 0
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 1973 kg 0
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 1974 kg 0
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 1975 kg 0
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 1976 kg 0
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 1977 kg 0
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 1978 kg 0
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 1979 kg 0
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 1980 kg 0
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 1981 kg 0
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 1982 kg 0
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 1983 kg 0
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 1984 kg 0
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 1985 kg 0
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 1986 kg 0
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 1987 kg 0
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 1988 kg 0
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 1989 kg 0
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 1990 kg 0
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 1991 kg 0
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 1992 kg 0
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 1993 kg 0
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 1994 kg 0
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 1995 kg 0
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 1996 kg 0
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 1997 kg 0
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 1998 kg 0
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 1999 kg 0
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 2000 kg 0
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 2001 kg 0
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 2002 kg 0
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 2003 kg 0
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 2004 kg 0
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 2005 kg 0.01
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 2006 kg 0.01
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 2007 kg 0.01
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 2008 kg 0
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 2009 kg 0
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 2010 kg 0
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 2011 kg 0
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 2012 kg 0
食品供应量（公斤/人均/年）奶酪 2013 kg 0

英文的，上面的翻译是我用谷歌和百度翻译对照着翻的。
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 1961 kg 0
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 1962 kg 0
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 1963 kg 0
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 1964 kg 0
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 1965 kg 0
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 1966 kg 0
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 1967 kg 0
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 1968 kg 0
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 1969 kg 0
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 1970 kg 0
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 1971 kg 0
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 1972 kg 0
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 1973 kg 0
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 1974 kg 0
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 1975 kg 0
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 1976 kg 0
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 1977 kg 0
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 1978 kg 0
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 1979 kg 0
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 1980 kg 0
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 1981 kg 0
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 1982 kg 0
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 1983 kg 0
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 1984 kg 0
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 1985 kg 0
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 1986 kg 0
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 1987 kg 0
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 1988 kg 0
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 1989 kg 0
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 1990 kg 0
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 1991 kg 0
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 1992 kg 0
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 1993 kg 0
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 1994 kg 0
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 1995 kg 0
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 1996 kg 0
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 1997 kg 0
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 1998 kg 0
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 1999 kg 0
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 2000 kg 0
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 2001 kg 0
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 2002 kg 0
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 2003 kg 0
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 2004 kg 0
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 2005 kg 0.01
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 2006 kg 0.01
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 2007 kg 0.01
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 2008 kg 0
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 2009 kg 0
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 2010 kg 0
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 2011 kg 0
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 2012 kg 0
India Food supply quantity (kg/capita/yr) Cheese 2013 kg 0

njyd · 发表于 2017-3-20 22:15:44

本帖最后由 njyd 于 2017-3-20 22:17 编辑

下面是印度1961年到2013年奶酪的年总产量。

Country Element Item Year Unit Value
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 1961 tonnes 91
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 1962 tonnes 114
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 1963 tonnes 619
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 1964 tonnes 35
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 1965 tonnes 55
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 1966 tonnes 305
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 1967 tonnes 32
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 1968 tonnes 29
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 1969 tonnes 49
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 1970 tonnes 44
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 1971 tonnes 41
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 1972 tonnes 49
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 1973 tonnes 112
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 1974 tonnes 147
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 1975 tonnes 97
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 1976 tonnes 102
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 1977 tonnes 181
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 1978 tonnes 92
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 1979 tonnes 42
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 1980 tonnes 18
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 1981 tonnes 12
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 1982 tonnes 58
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 1983 tonnes 4
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 1984 tonnes 28
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 1985 tonnes 260
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 1986 tonnes 11
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 1987 tonnes 29
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 1988 tonnes 0
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 1989 tonnes 33
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 1990 tonnes 0
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 1991 tonnes 4.14
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 1992 tonnes 15.71
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 1993 tonnes 16.29
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 1994 tonnes 45
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 1995 tonnes 64
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 1996 tonnes 0
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 1997 tonnes 3
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 1998 tonnes 39
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 1999 tonnes 249
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 2000 tonnes 186
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 2001 tonnes 248
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 2002 tonnes 18
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 2003 tonnes 40
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 2004 tonnes 64
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 2005 tonnes 11541
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 2006 tonnes 11690
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 2007 tonnes 11715
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 2008 tonnes 4835
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 2009 tonnes 617
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 2010 tonnes 531
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 2011 tonnes 836
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 2012 tonnes 581
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Cheese 2013 tonnes 555

这么点贵族都不一定够吃。

应该是年供应量，自己生产的减去出口的再加上进口的，大概不会有援助奶酪。

njyd · 发表于 2017-3-20 22:36:14

冰蚁发表于 2017-3-20 22:19
我大概扫了一下那个数据表，我觉得各类食物应该看四项：产量，进口，出口，食物供应平均（热量或者重量） ...

我扒的是供应量，应该是包括了生产进口和援助。
各国饮食习惯不同，用热量应该准一些。不过在非特殊饮食习惯的国家中，肉类消费应该反应了这个国家的饮食质量高低。

njyd · 发表于 2017-3-20 22:38:16

橡树村发表于 2017-3-20 22:26
印度人口里面素食比例很高，奶酪不应该是常见食品。

印度的牛奶（也许是所有奶）的消费量相当高，远高于世界平均水平。
不过此网站的世界平均水平不知是按总人口算的还是各国平均的。

njyd · 发表于 2017-3-20 23:12:36

@冰蚁
同一个库中中印肉类总供应量：

China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1961 tonnes 2196383.76
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1962 tonnes 2666923.96
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1963 tonnes 4243045.97
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1964 tonnes 5438556.37
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1965 tonnes 6169045.83
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1966 tonnes 6676506.89
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1967 tonnes 7094880.43
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1968 tonnes 7024276.57
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1969 tonnes 6894879.85
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1970 tonnes 6845543.87
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1971 tonnes 7799951.39
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1972 tonnes 8598033.21
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1973 tonnes 8675857.81
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1974 tonnes 8808815.89
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1975 tonnes 9059738.33
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1976 tonnes 9011836.71
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1977 tonnes 9089557.31
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1978 tonnes 9876431.22
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1979 tonnes 1.19E+07
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1980 tonnes 1.34E+07
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1981 tonnes 1.40E+07
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1982 tonnes 1.49E+07
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1983 tonnes 1.55E+07
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1984 tonnes 1.69E+07
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1985 tonnes 1.91E+07
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1986 tonnes 2.02E+07
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1987 tonnes 2.21E+07
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1988 tonnes 2.45E+07
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1989 tonnes 2.58E+07
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1990 tonnes 2.76E+07
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1991 tonnes 3.01E+07
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1992 tonnes 3.30E+07
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1993 tonnes 3.60E+07
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1994 tonnes 3.93E+07
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1995 tonnes 4.25E+07
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1996 tonnes 4.32E+07
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1997 tonnes 4.66E+07
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1998 tonnes 5.05E+07
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1999 tonnes 5.27E+07
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 2000 tonnes 5.63E+07
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 2001 tonnes 5.64E+07
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 2002 tonnes 5.78E+07
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 2003 tonnes 6.08E+07
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 2004 tonnes 6.12E+07
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 2005 tonnes 6.39E+07
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 2006 tonnes 6.63E+07
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 2007 tonnes 6.86E+07
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 2008 tonnes 7.21E+07
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 2009 tonnes 7.49E+07
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 2010 tonnes 7.73E+07
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 2011 tonnes 7.78E+07
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 2012 tonnes 8.21E+07
China, mainland Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 2013 tonnes 8.46E+07

India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1961 tonnes 1694670.48
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1962 tonnes 1737046.2
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1963 tonnes 1754911.79
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1964 tonnes 1788515.99
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1965 tonnes 1817105.62
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1966 tonnes 1845952.92
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1967 tonnes 1894031.58
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1968 tonnes 1942212.04
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1969 tonnes 1969449.45
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1970 tonnes 2011362.76
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1971 tonnes 2067949.29
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1972 tonnes 2093295.82
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1973 tonnes 2140142.99
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1974 tonnes 2194504.52
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1975 tonnes 2244514.6
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1976 tonnes 2292995.91
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1977 tonnes 2338559.29
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1978 tonnes 2401873.55
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1979 tonnes 2476580.66
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1980 tonnes 2573317.51
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1981 tonnes 2654292.48
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1982 tonnes 2877502.36
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1983 tonnes 2928748.87
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1984 tonnes 2979814.31
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1985 tonnes 3099021.26
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1986 tonnes 3166691.23
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1987 tonnes 3363935.92
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1988 tonnes 3418384.15
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1989 tonnes 3489820.41
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1990 tonnes 3583536.48
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1991 tonnes 3747453.1
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1992 tonnes 3826143.93
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1993 tonnes 3893249.99
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1994 tonnes 3920561.26
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1995 tonnes 3921429.35
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1996 tonnes 3967808.3
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1997 tonnes 3981718.69
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1998 tonnes 4088891.25
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 1999 tonnes 4154958.26
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 2000 tonnes 4142165.47
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 2001 tonnes 4266119.35
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 2002 tonnes 4386582.3
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 2003 tonnes 4459205.78
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 2004 tonnes 4644511.26
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 2005 tonnes 4641124.23
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 2006 tonnes 4756193.33
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 2007 tonnes 5056031.76
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 2008 tonnes 5179772.42
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 2009 tonnes 5297750.71
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 2010 tonnes 5281632.48
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 2011 tonnes 5045939.82
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 2012 tonnes 5086683.77
India Food supply quantity (tonnes) Meat 2013 tonnes 4619429.98

拿里面2013年的数，中国肉类总供应量为84600000吨，人均年供应量按14亿算有60公斤。
印度4619429.98吨，按10亿人算4. 6公斤.
说明单位是吨不是千吨，

njyd · 发表于 2017-3-20 23:29:11

与中国的亲身经历相比比较有感受。
中国大陆1961年到2013年食品热量供应。

China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 1961 kcal/capita/day 1415
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 1962 kcal/capita/day 1526
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 1963 kcal/capita/day 1594
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 1964 kcal/capita/day 1666
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 1965 kcal/capita/day 1797
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 1966 kcal/capita/day 1865
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 1967 kcal/capita/day 1817
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 1968 kcal/capita/day 1758
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 1969 kcal/capita/day 1731
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 1970 kcal/capita/day 1840
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 1971 kcal/capita/day 1845
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 1972 kcal/capita/day 1828
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 1973 kcal/capita/day 1897
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 1974 kcal/capita/day 1893
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 1975 kcal/capita/day 1909
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 1976 kcal/capita/day 1875
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 1977 kcal/capita/day 1914
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 1978 kcal/capita/day 2062
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 1979 kcal/capita/day 2077
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 1980 kcal/capita/day 2146
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 1981 kcal/capita/day 2164
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 1982 kcal/capita/day 2328
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 1983 kcal/capita/day 2399
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 1984 kcal/capita/day 2433
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 1985 kcal/capita/day 2429
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 1986 kcal/capita/day 2424
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 1987 kcal/capita/day 2439
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 1988 kcal/capita/day 2416
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 1989 kcal/capita/day 2404
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 1990 kcal/capita/day 2504
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 1991 kcal/capita/day 2431
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 1992 kcal/capita/day 2456
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 1993 kcal/capita/day 2538
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 1994 kcal/capita/day 2604
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 1995 kcal/capita/day 2691
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 1996 kcal/capita/day 2695
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 1997 kcal/capita/day 2725
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 1998 kcal/capita/day 2770
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 1999 kcal/capita/day 2763
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 2000 kcal/capita/day 2808
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 2001 kcal/capita/day 2816
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 2002 kcal/capita/day 2832
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 2003 kcal/capita/day 2833
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 2004 kcal/capita/day 2857
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 2005 kcal/capita/day 2879
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 2006 kcal/capita/day 2883
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 2007 kcal/capita/day 2919
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 2008 kcal/capita/day 2977
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 2009 kcal/capita/day 2994
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 2010 kcal/capita/day 3044
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 2011 kcal/capita/day 3081
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 2012 kcal/capita/day 3100
China, mainland Food supply (kcal/capita/day) Grand Total 2013 kcal/capita/day 3108

按这组数据，朝鲜近十年的食品热量供应相当于中国上世纪七十年代末的水平。
在那些年，副食供应还很差，但粮食已经能保证大部分人不饿肚子了。

njyd · 发表于 2017-3-21 18:13:40

石工发表于 2017-3-21 03:07
印度有自己的奶酪，paneer，叫奶豆腐更合适，跟豆浆做豆腐的过程一模一样。把奶烧开，用醋、柠檬或者隔夜 ...

看来印度把这些都统计在“奶”里面了。

njyd · 发表于 2017-3-22 17:06:56

橡树村发表于 2017-3-21 21:47
朝鲜农业的机械化程度还是不错的，所以八十年代的时候朝鲜没有饥荒。

但是缺少燃油，缺少化肥。

村长去帮他们搞煤制油？
煤制化肥也可以的，七十年代及以前国内各地的小化肥厂都是用煤。

njyd · 发表于 2017-4-1 18:57:45

老财迷发表于 2017-3-31 17:06
哈，老兵，难得有机会和你闲扯2句啊。
你在这说“不挨饿是不可能”，但在58#楼也说“......它的农用机械 ...

统计上的粮食（谷物）是带壳的原粮，折合到粮票供应的粮要打八折到八五折（小麦〉面粉）甚至七折（稻谷〉大米）。
当年的粮食供应，特重体力劳动的（如装卸工）就是54斤，一般体力劳动者43-46斤，非体力劳动的干部29-31斤，大学生好像是32斤。
时不时地宣布哪遭了灾，每人“捐”出一斤，发粮票时直接扣了。

njyd · 发表于 2017-4-1 20:02:43

冰蚁发表于 2017-4-1 01:45
你发帖的时候，正好在改上面帖子，把我的观点表达更完整。

朝鲜现在的表现就如同萨达姆当年觉得自己已经 ...

既然朝鲜的核弹无用，美日韩还这么激动干嘛？

njyd · 发表于 2017-4-2 19:02:08

冰蚁发表于 2017-4-1 20:55
军事能力欠缺，搞核恐怖主义还可以。而且你也不能由着朝鲜搞下去。万一过个十几年，几十年的搞成核弹小型 ...

不管它能不能核弹小型化，朝鲜要先往美日打出去肯定是自杀行为，你不会认为朝鲜费那么大劲就是为了自杀吧？
它对南朝鲜，最希望达成的目标是由它统一南朝鲜，那么它往南边扔两颗又能得到什么？抢一片无法住人的土地？

njyd · 发表于 2017-4-2 23:01:50

冰蚁发表于 2017-4-2 20:33
你那是正常人思维。但按正常思维，既然不会先扔核武，但又没有核反击能力，整个国家纵深又极小，搞核武真 ...

小国对付大国只有采取鱼死网破，但也只有网到临头才会考虑鱼死，网还没来就先死？

njyd · 发表于 2017-4-3 20:20:19

冰蚁发表于 2017-4-3 01:32
你就不能换个思路一定要拼命往网里钻？

你就不能换个思路一定要拼命认为小国想要原子弹就是为进攻的？原子弹能攻下什么地方？

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